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In conqueror of shambala, Alphonse has transmutation circles on gloves, that let him perform any kind of alchemy without new circles kinda like Ed, what's up with that?

I'm still yet to watch eps 43 - 51, did I miss something?

A lot can happen in two years. Who knows?

State alchemists have gloves with circles on them.Maybe he joined the military.

(I really don't know.I just think that could be a possability.)

Probably common snese, this way he doesn't need to waste time making circles. It's not hard to embroid a seal onto gloves or even tattoo them on the hands.

I wanna know why he could do a variety of transmutations with one circle. >>

I was wondering that as well. In my opinion it seemed as though Alphonse had become a more powerful alchemist than his brother. (Transmuting the fountain in the dessert was a bit much) Perhaps seeing the gate had something to do with it, but why then would he need transmutation circles on his gloves?

Hmm. Remember that guy from 4 ep, called Majihal? He also propably could do many kinds of transmutation with just one circle, drawn on that bandana [yes? O_o'] on his wrist. I can't remember was he a State Alchemist, but maybe the mechanism of those gloves' working is similliar?

Maybe Al's circles are very advanced to allow for more varied abilities.

Al did not join the military. He saw the gate and began to remember everything, thus giving him the knowledge he needs to expand his alchemy. He probably made a circle on his gloves that can do a variety of things. Just becuase He can with his knowledge he now knows. Reason why he needs gloves is becuase he's not like Ed or Izumi, who have both got something taken from them but still had a body. Since Al got his NORMAL human body back with everything BEFORE The human transmutation,He needs gloves. He's not that advanced yet. But he is indeed WAY up there. >.>; but that's just me, I don't know what you guys think.

I think they are special circles that he uses wen he wants to transfer part of his soul into the armors.

with the circle he can do anything even control hi-tech robots like in the movie or something ^^;;

On some forums you would get a raised warning for that. It's blatant spam.



There aren't any robots, just people in suits of armour.

Okay......

omg al is cheating i'm kidding yea i did saw a tranmution circle on his glove wel it's kinda like roy but roy's circle is outside so al circle is inside of the glove like where u no finger like u no what i mean not inside mean the oppsite side u no ok

fullmetl_alchemistwater have you ever typed, or spelled a day in your life?

I agree. That just hurt my eyes. >_<;;

I was used to the circles on the gloves, but the way he could transmute almost ANYTHING with the same circle confused me, as well. Hmm...maybe a "universal circle"?

Yes, it can be pretty annoying, but as long as you can understand it, it's okay. But she really does need to work on her grammar and punctuation and her spelling, I'll admit that.

And it's probably her first time on the forums, too, maybe it'll improve.

fullmetal_alchemistwater Do you have Microsoft Word? If you do, you can type in the text then go to spelling and grammar check. It does it automatically. Then when you're done, copy and paste it in your post, okay?

Ha, I like the idea of "universal" circle.
And, to a degree, that could actually be possible, I think, unless the transformation involves certain special stuff, like fire??

I like the 'universal circle' idea; though I think it might be a bit tricky if you had to account for every possible variable... (and there I go thinking of FMA-esque alchemy as though its real ).

I think that Al's gloves are a sort equivalent of Izumi and Ed's ability - clapping is quicker then manually drawing a circle, and therefore a great advantage in combat. Maybe these gloves would be useful things for, say, all State Alchemists to have.

Sweet pie is learning well.

Gahaha, I know, I know!! But, it's kind of fun!!
Since you mentioned... if I remember correctly, in FMA OVA "Homunclous vs State Alchemists" Roy gives gloves with the circle to the alchemist trainee, I think??

Hello this is my fist time posting.

I find this wierd bc there is obviously no single circle that can to anything. Otherwise they wouldn't have to study circles or use specific ones like Mustang uses (I think his actually has a little flame on it and for some reason a lizard...) or Armstrong's. As far as I know these ones can only work for their specific purposes and do nothing else.
The only thing that seems to work for everything is the hand-clapping that Ed uses. Which makes it strange that he had to use an array when he was going to make the pholosiphers stone out of the people this might be because it was very complicated work. But he was going to split Tuckers Chimera using it, which is also complicated.

Yeah, he gives him a ring, and says something like "You wont have time to draw a circle out on the battlefield.



I think maybe it's a salamander, they are sometimes associated with fire. And the Clapping ability lets someobdy do pretty much anything since they have seen the knowledge at the gate, they don't need another ability (circle) to do another task.

Aha, the ring!! Thanks!!

Mustang has Circles on his gloves does he not? Why not alphonse? Personally i think the circles on his gloves have something to do with wind because when Armstrong was in lior during the earthqiake he looks as though it's something special when he see's al transmute a tornadoe.

well...one thing i don't understand [spoiler]is that if in the series Alphonse saw 'The Truth' when Edward touched him, why would'nt he be able to use Alchemy without a circle in his human form....is it because he does'nt remember when he saw the gate since his memories are gone in the movie? ....AH-HA! that must be it a i answered my own question ;; ...oops [/spoiler]


Well to the topic though, the reason i think Alphonse wears the gloves, is because i think it's all the 'I want to look like Edward' look , he has the coat ,hair ,gloves, and since he has transmutation cicles on his hands he can transmute without drawing a new circle just like Edward

Sounds plausible to me

Al can't do alchemy without a circle because when he got his body back he had lost all his memories of those three years.

[spoiler]Al DOES get the ability to do alchemy without circles in the Manga, and for a short time in the anime after becoming the stone.[/spoiler]

So maybe he gets the ability to do alchemy without circles AFTER the movie, if he could keep his memories if he returned to Amestris somehow

My statement may be vague but I think it's because Ed and Al are gifted. They ARE the sons of Hohenheim, who himself is a master alchemist. Another thing, Alphonse may have trained a lot during those two years and Ed might be kinda rusty because he hasn't used alchemy for a long while.

Thats true, and watching the 3rd episode over pushes that theory.

Good point about Ed being rusty!!
And, since it's brought up, I wonder about the ability to perform Alchemy...
Is it genetically passed on?? If so, is it from original Ho-ho (tho I don't know how Ed and Al can get his genetic traits...)?? Or from Ho-ho as we know (was he also a good Alchemist??)??
Or, is it passed on within "soul" or something??
I'm curious.

Tombow Alchemy is not "gifted" or passed down through Genetics, sorry. Lol It wouldn't make sense AT ALL really. If it was passed down through genetics. Or as a Gift, It would make more sense that they have the TALENT to learn alchemy at such a young age. Then yes, that's possible. But NO it's not genetics. Lol. yes, " ho-ho" as you so call him was indeed a great alchemist,for he was the first to create a philosphers stone, Actually He created it multiple times. So yes, Excellent Alchemist.

And to get back on to the topic of Alphonse and his gloves. Some people may think it's because He wants to be like Ed, sure..but that doesn't explain the circle in particular, it just explains the looks. Lol.

Alphonse uses gloves because He came back as a 10 year old in a normal Human body, with no knowledge of the gate. He so does not remember anything at the time, only the things before his adventures with Edward.


Alphonse later starts to remember His memories and get back the "truth" in which gives him the knowledge to be able to Craft out the circle. Seeing as so it is in a way "universal" he probably made the circle himself. Some may ask "why not ed use gloves then? " because he already uses his body as a rune(transmutation circles) , thus not needing the gloves.

The 7 point transmutation Alphonse crafted in order to open the door, was also another thing he remembered from his memories. Seeing as so he WAS the philosphers stone, and the 7 point transmutation circle appears when Human transmutation is used. Since Alphonse tried to open the gate,( that does involve human lives) the 7 point transmutation circles appeared. Becuase of his Now gained memories.

About "universal" transmutation circles, in the anime Alphonse uses allways the same circle anyway.
I think transmutation circle starts the transmutation reaction, and the alchemist then uses the power to manipulate the shape and components of the object. Ed can't do alchemy without a circle, but since he saw the gate, he can use alchemy just by making the circle by putting his hands together. So the better alchemist you are, more freely you can use the circles.

hmmm.. maybe, instead of getting the ability to perfrom alchemy without tramsutation circles, he gained the ability to do anything only with one circle!

but.. then again, that's only one of my crazy never-making-sence theories.. ^^;;

Its really all about the knowledge the Alchemist knows. Even if he has the most complicated circle,he wouldn't be able to figure it out without any knowledge. So Alphonse saw the gate, Just like edward. And all memories came back. Even the sense of being the Philosphers stone. Alphonse has a great mind as of now..

CONTAIN SPOILERS!!!



The circle on Al's glove enable him to use alchemy without drawing them all the time. He gained his body back at the end of the series and is no longer a philosopher's stone anymore, so he had to use the circle to do it all the time. By drawing a circle on his glove, he just need to clap his hand together and do alchemy.

Ahem...

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For all basic alchemy which basically convets one thing into another, an alchemist can use their own personal circle for anything they need. For things that are highly advanced, like making a philosophers stone or performing human transmutation in which you are dealing with a high level of alchemical reactions, you need a special array in order to prevent a rebound, which is why when sealing the humonculi, which for lack of a better word is basically human transmutation, and making the philosophers stone, Ed needed an array to help contain and control the alchemical reaction he was about to create. But otherwise, when an alchemist is training, they have their own personal array that is unique to them, and with that they can do any amount of alchemy they wish.

Well i think that Alphonse that he lost his memories i think that he use to doing that he wants to clap his hands to do alchemy or saw Teacher doing it when he was training alchemy with here

Because he has seen the gate ( he remembered it when he returned to his real body) he does not need a circle at all, however transmutations envalving human transmutation requare a circle weather or not the alchemist has seen the gate

So, at the end when he got his memory back, if he had still been in their world, would he have been able to do alchemy without a circle?

That seems to make sence, as he has memorys coming back.
But we wont ever know! XD

this is confusing... I thought Al regain his body a from the gate and came back. there fore should know the truth about alchemy and use alchemy w/o a circle.

But when he regain his body. He did lost his memories right?

Maybe the other told him that Edward could do alchemist by clapping his hand (and form a transmute circle on his hand). And Alphonse want to mimic his lovely brother so he wear gloves with transmutation circle on CLAP CLAP CLAP

no he doesn't remember his memories with ed, and he said he woke up after trying to bring mom back

But when he is in the underground city, you see a flashback with Al and Al says something about remembering what happened and what he needed to do to open it... Or it was something like that, I need to see the movie again. -.-'

beats me, but I know every state alchemist has one, maybe he became a state alchemist

otherwise...I don't know ><

well Al got his memories back in when his soul was still bounded to the Armor and he could clap his Hand like ed.. but when he got his Body back and couldn't remember anything.. so thats y he has Transmutation circle on his gloves to just clap his hand to do Alchemy